Huge warning!

These couple of months have been very stressful days. Natural disasters aside, we were trying to buy some fish 2 months ago -- yeah, that was a long time ago. Apart being cheated, gave them all the benefit of the doubts, but only finding out that he was cheating us after all, and trying to recoup all of our loses via PP claim system, we are also bombarded with all kinds of nasty words.

Funny how people could turn ugly when they were actually the ones should be blamed for. We paid for the fish, very large sum of money involved, waited promises after promises, requested kindly for refund repeated times, got ignored, yet another promises, no indication of the fish nor the money, and finally the bills arrived. VZ was screaming so loud, the neighbours would have heard it. So, asked them again for refund, a week pass, two weeks passed, request again, and finally said enough is enough. if refund aint coming, then see if PP or CC can do better job for us.

What do u know, once PP is involved, so far 3 accounts got locked out, all people involved scream at us asking to close the claims. Hey, we repeatedly say to them, claim can only be closed when we got our money back. we sent to their PP, so we let PP takes the money back for us. After all, the bastard isn't willing to refund us back, nor send our fish.

Let this be a huge warning to everyone. We know JLM had informed others of this, but she had been kind and discreet about it. Well, we aint care. Cheaters are cheaters, everyone ought to know about it and avoid them at all costs. These names/emails have been used in auction sites. They refer to either the same person (with multiple accounts), or same group of people who help each other and involved in the con.

List of emails/names you need to avoid (not in any particular order):

• doctor aquatic (dr. lek or dr. that)
• sawaddee aquatic (apinan sangmarn)
• patthasith
• fahad sangmarn
• the_fisheries (in the group but hadn't had opportunity to clash as yet -- luckily didn't send PP payment)
  
• watt (don't know who this is, but kept being mentioned)
• dern (same, but being mentioned)
• added, another paypal heaven: anusorn (anusorn54@windowslive.com)
• they morphed as a new name sompoch (sompoch2009@windowslive.com)
• added, ocean_aquatic (ocean_aquatic@hotmail.com; these guys really like morphing from one to another!)
• new morphing, Lucky_farm (luck_9999@hotmail.com), beware
• more morphing: diamondcrown_farm

These people are the ones behind some of the banned auction site names such as the_sea99, etc. Would have thought that the auction sites can be made safer from these guys, but then it is probably too hard to detect anyway.

We're sure the list will grow pretty soon as the drama evolves. Oh, don't you ever piss these people, you haven't heard the worst swear words ever yet. there it goes all imaginations of how gentle and kind thai people are -- may not be applicable to general population, but majority of the above is trully scary.

Lessons learnt?

• don't believe in any sweet talk -- boy, aren't they best at doing this?
• don't send your money to different paypal names -- wonder who gave the initial warning for this? wish we had listened
• when something smells fishy, trust your nose
• when they keep pressuring you on purchasing that darn awesome fish for "special" price, you know you're going to be in deep sh*t later
• don't ever ever send your money via western union or moneygram (when you've got problems, that money is down the toilet)
• do NOT try to upgrade your current transactions by buying more, make sure you've got your current batch shipped -- before you realize it, you'll be spending hundreds and into the thousands.
• don't try to be friend with them, when money is involved, things usually get very dirty quickly
• keep record of your conversations, you gonna need it in rainy days

While we have slim chance of getting "friends" with these guys, not that we wanted anymore, scare the sh*t out of us, and no possibility of recouping our money nicely -- not to mention more than half can't be recouped -- we hope we cause enough nightmare on their ends too. Serves them right for cheating. It seems, from the conversation, it is clear that they've cheated others before too. Maybe no one dares to speak out, they get away with it, and see another light to try it out again....

Looking back at this, wished we've spent that money on something else, perhaps to the bushfire victims. *Sigh*, what a miracle a sweet talk can do....

So, before you realize it, hopefully you are not the next target. Be warned. For those already in their trap or similar situation, let's share it, either to help each other or to warn others.

If you are concerned, do contact us. Happy to share some of the story/proof -- will only share to those getting trap or similar situation, not to those "curious". Our suggestion is, if you can, stay away from them unless the transactions involved are small.

"Why would the chicken cross the road? There is food on the other side". Just be very careful on your dealings with sellers, while most are decent people, some are not. Identifying one from the other, unfortunately, requires a little bit of skill.