Friday 17 August 2007

how much water would you like with it?

nice sometimes to heard people complement about the way we ship fish. i particularly ship fish with just sufficient space and water for the fish, that's it. some other members of the group would like to ship with with tons of water.

i think, as long as the fish is comfy in there and they are not lack of water/oxygen, then that's good enough. one time, due to shipping mishap (which happened very frequently with some courier btw), my fish was held for more than 3 days. the shipping was meant to be a 1 day trip for the fish, arriving on tuesday, but our dearest courier decided to keep the fish longer and they arrived on friday instead. well, the minimal water/oxygen that i had been provided for the fish was more than sufficient for the fish to last a couple of days trip, that was proven when the new owner happily (but very nervous) opened the bags and found they're alive and well.

on the plus side, of course there is no problem shipping more water with the fish, but i just couldn't see the point. it's not as if the fish will be happier with more water. to the contrary, more water will mean the water is going to be colder (so I believe) when they arrived, no matter how many heatpacks you ship it with....

are you still on sale, say in 3 months time?

from time to time, we've got that kind of question. this always make me smile...

I can understand that these people want to get some of our stock, and we're happy for them if they do get them. however, perhaps they don't realize that bettas can't wait for another couple of months. what's available now, usually, are in their prime condition and giving a 3 or 4 months wait will just make those bettas old. wouldn't it funny if we hold those bettas, and then sell them after 3 or 4 months wait, when the bettas are old and no longer active. i wonder if they still want to scoop their pocket to pay for old fish. i won't, but who knows...perhaps they would....

time to clean the nest

observing the giant red pair with huge nest this morning and saw him going berserk destroying the nest and building yet another big one. it's quite interesting to see that these bettas know when it's time to "clean the house".

the old nest is so thick and "dirty" that he has decided to destroy it and move slightly to the right side of the tank and build another one. i rarely seen this is being done. usually, i only saw the male has somewhat "moved" to a new location with new nest, and sometimes i can see some bubbles on the place of the old nest, as if it was just being abandoned. well, this male is different....he actually go the hard way of destroying the nest. He jumped up high on the nest trying to grab as much eggs as he can (remember he still tends the eggs in the nest), destroy some nests, go to new place, and build a new nest

the female is always trustworthy to whatever the male is doing. She just swim in one corner watching the male and then stare at me as if wondering if i'm going to be a threat to her fry :)

Wednesday 15 August 2007

Continuous spawnings

Yesterday morning I've seen the giant red pair having a go on spawning again and again, lots of eggs on the nest. This is their 3rd or 4th spawns and meanwhile there are tons of fry there, the accumulation of previous spawns. The surface is full of fry already, and yet somehow the parents think they better have another go :D

It's quite interesting sometimes to see this happening. From time to time, I'd get a "compatible" pair that would just keep spawning until I separate them. Sometimes, you've got those "incompatible" pair that would need a long time to get their act together (due to immaturity most of the time).

This giant pair initially took a very long time to get their act. But once they understand each other, the females can't get enough of the male ;) ;) and she'd just come back to the nest for more....The male, in this case, also gives the female some space. Once they've finished spawning, the female will go to the other corner of the tank while the male busy tending the nest, stay there for couple of days, then revisit the male when it's hatching time. Yes, she helps picking up the fry from bottom of the tank and spitting them back up. The male doesn't seem to be worried about the female at all, knowing she is a good mom and won't eat the fry :D

Interestingly, I usually don't use such a big tank for any of the spawnings. This is because I notice that the pair has to be the "great" pair in order to spawn in such a space. Usually I use smaller tank and this resulted in sure spawn, but very rough experience for the female.

Anyway, perhaps in couple of days time I need to split this pair and stop the cycle. After all, it's quite difficult to handle 500-800 fry and god knows how many fry hanging on the nest, if they all survive...Hmm....removing the female is also going to be tricky, I'm bound to scoop out 20+ fry easily and kill some on the way when scooping out the female....oh well....

Tuesday 14 August 2007

Look at huge nest


This is one of the giant pair that I'm spawning.
From time to time, I've got the luxury to amaze myself with their nests. This one has been like that since 2 weeks ago, growing and shrinking as the fry hatches. About 1.5 to 2 inches thick if not more....spanning about 25cm in diameter

wrapping like a pro

This morning i've got a chance to watch one of my melano HMPK male spawning with its distant distant niece given to me by LDZ (rooted from same line). Despite the female is a steel blue carry melano, I kinda like her since she's one of those OHM female with very nice spread. She's battered beyond recognition on how beautiful she was before the spawning takes place. she is 8 rays, so I'd expect quite a number of long fin coming out of this spawn, considering the male has long fin gene.

Anyway, it amazes me sometime to see how pro they are in spawning. In the instance the female meets the male under the nest, the male managed to wrap her, stay idle, then poof, lots of eggs coming out.

This is different with other pairs that I've seen where it took a good couple of times turning and wrapping before they get it "right".

Monday 13 August 2007

super black and melano in fertility

I've been experimenting on spawning the blackest females from my melano x superblack line and so far I can only use the superblack female to carry the line. I've got a success once or twice in spawning with melano female (melano coming from above mix) but they ended up very weak genes.

Combination of spawn (there are other similar spawns performed on different pairs, i.e. 2 or 3 melano pairs involved):
F1a: melano x superblack-a
F1b: superblack x superblack

F2a: F1a x F1a
F2b: F1b x F1b
F2c: F1a x F1b
...

On each spawn, I took the blackest female x to any of melano male of either sibling or cousins in relationship. Other group members help spawning them and share the outcome together.

Numerous times I've got them successfully spawned with melano female but fry never last longer than 1 or 2 days after hatching. So, it seems, despite the female is fertile, the gene is not strong enough for the fry to live/develop. Disappointment comes when looking at an egg with head and tail formed lying on the bottom of the tank. It's either the fry doesn't fully develop or the process stops half way through.

Also, it's interesting to find out that there are 2 types of superblack females coming out of the above mix. The first type is a pure superblack with a hint of steel blue on its body (close to dorsal) and the second is without hint of steel blue. I suspect, the one with hint of steel blue is inheriting from melano and the one without hint of steel blue somewhat closer to the "pure" superblack. There are a number of females with half-superblack coloration, with red color not forming to full black coloration.

Anyway, will keep trying and see if the outcome is different on the next generation.

charity giants

Me, TM, and DR have decided to release some of our giants for charity, particularly for MSF -- http://www.msf.org.au. Logistically this is going to be interesting as I need to travel to DR's place tomorrow afternoon to get his fish and ship them to whoever buying them...a 1 hr drive....

TM has been kind enough to drive to my place perhaps tonight.

We figured MSF needs as much help and the only thing that we have is the fish...having everyone contributes could work very well for us.

If this charity works out well, we can always do this all the time.

Friday 10 August 2007

how much is your line worth?

i've got many requests frequently to buy the best of my spawn and I always surprised them by telling them very expensive price, a made up price....

Funny that many people don't realize how difficult it is to make a line. Perhaps they don't know how hard to get the darn best fish to spawn, or how hard to raise the fry through their 3 months ordeal, or how difficult the guessing game of choosing the X and Y for the next spawn and waiting 3 months to find out that you've made a wrong choice, or how I have to do 5 or 6 concurrent spawnings of "similar" lines to get to 1 next level that I wanted.

Take for example my black line. The current blackest boy and his sibling sister is the outcome of a miserable spawn with only 5 survivors. They're the work of 7 generations, all with at least 21 ups and downs (each generation with at least 3 concurrent spawnings). I ain't selling them even for $300 or $400. Why? Cause the darn line took me a good couple of years to develop and he was the only survivor of the best line! Even the funny thing, some people offer me a mere $100 for them! No bloody way! I simply reply back "no". These people should have just bought their fish from casual breeders or even import them from Thailand or Malaysia. Those are the places where they do mass production of fish and sell them for a lot cheaper price. Yes, true, the importation fee is killing the price, but go blame the importers for it! (I know I shouldn't say this, considering I've got some of my fish from importers, but the price tag for importation is just plain silly...perhaps I'll tell the story on another post).

Anyway, as I've known how hard it is to raise a line, I get to appreciate more when I saw someone posting a ridiculous price for a particular fish. Why? Since I know it's darn hard to get it, and the guy was trying to sell one of his best fish for a mere couple measly bux. This doesn't mean that I encourage everyone to sell pricey fish....no....I've seen some stupid guy trying to make a bux and selling el-cheapo fish for ridiculous price, well, I hope there is idiot out there gonna buy it from him.

I've got my share of the experience. For example, I offered one of my super black lines, a 4-ray HMxHMPK super black lines where all the females are 4 rays and they carry long fin, an outcome of 2 years work. I was offering them for about $150 each, a price that a lot of people never appreciated. Guess what....no one ever wanted to sell a 4-ray super black to the market! Why? It's darn rare! The only time I saw such sale was a thai tryng to sell ONLY males with 4-rays, and he tried to sell for $100usd. I know how good his line was, but mine is superior cause i manage to get half of my line to be long fin. His only hmpk line. And yet I've got those inexperience people trying to compare my female with a $20 8-rays blue female!!! Maybe they don't know that blue females, even 16-ray, only cost a couple bux! it's so easy and common to find a good blue. it's like comparing common rocks against diamond and saying they ought to be sinilar price (ok, a bit exaggeration, but same point). just morons....

why didn't they use giants for fighting?

this question came to me cause 1 of my giant HMPK 3mo jumped to a full adult HMPK 7mo and managed to kill the poor 7mo...

it didn't come to a surprise to me considering the sheer size of the boy. He escaped with slight torn here and there, but he managed to rip the adult hmpk to pieces.

i saw this aggressiveness in my other giants when I feed them. One time, a male giant managed to pull out a female giant's gill when he was trying to eat the worm during feeding. The poor female was running away bleeding with 1 gill missing...This scared me when I saw how powerful their jaws in doing the ripping.

I know that the giants are slower moving fish, but their powerful jaws surely can just rip things apart. Yes, we all know AU law prohibit fish fighting, but there are some countries where this is not fully monitored and yet I never heard they use giants to do this kind of activity....

amazing giants

we've got a number of giant lines coming from NG and LDZ. NG gave me two pairs of his awesome green masked HMPK giants. The male was about 3.5" and the female was 3.2", aged 5 months. Another pair was smaller cause their age was smaller, aged 2.8 months or so.

A couple of weeks later, LDZ gave me a pair of his red giants OHMPK, and this pair is the most awesome of all. The male was 4.2", the biggest and longest I've seen of a giant. The female was smaller than green female, she was about 3".

These giants are so wonderful. They're soooooo HUGE! Their width is easily 3 or 4 times the size of standard bettas. In fact, they look like totally different species.

Anyway, that was about 3 months ago.

I've heard them giving me warning of how difficult it was to spawn giants. I've experienced that when I tried to spawn those giants. None of them spawned as smooth as I expected. All females were so huge and big in the belly that you'd think they'd just burst with eggs.

It took a good 3 full weeks to get them spawned! Usually, I have any of the fish to spawn in less than 2 days (that's what years of experience gave u).

Spawning experience with giants is quite interesting. Slightly different from other spawns. To start, the giants are quite slow moving fish when they're left alone. But once they meet each other, despite you can still see how slow they are in movements, they're quite aggressive and scary. The courting pretty much shakes the whole tank! I've got my standard 20L tank and the water just shaking so much, you'd thought somebody splashing the surface of the water so hard....and yes, there was "someone knocking on the front door" sound coming from the tank :)

I think, there are a number reasons why giants are so difficult to spawn. First, their size is so big, wrapping the female is just quite difficult. Not to mention the size of the female is 3 times the normal size, and the size of the male also makes him impossible to wrap his body to the female. In fact, when the male tries to wrap the female, you can see that he barely can make half circle wrap, and the female is just hanging there loose :) Secondly, the females are not scared of the males! Well, why would they scare of the males, if their size is just as big as the male, LMAO. I've seen how the males attack the females numerous times, and yet barely leave any scratch on her body. Sometimes the fins are torn, but even that is pretty rare.

I've seen other types of bettas, such as HM or HMPK. Everytime they spawn, the females always torn to pieces. But giant females are just made of steel. The attack didn't leave much scar....Each attack would make the whole tank sounded like a party....

Once they successfully spawned, the second amazing thing is the size of those eggs. They're at least double the size of normal eggs ! Well, I suppose that's logical, considering they're giants after all...

Then it comes the hatching time, and what do you see? A very tiny typical fry ! their fry is just as small as other fry. I can't quite see the giant-size different in them, although I never compared them side by side, but I was very surprised to see how small they were. Tiny little tail wiggling :)

The growth of these giants are just great. In less than 3 months time, their size at least already double standard adult HMPK. I love to see the size of the males and females. Typically, the males are larger and started flaring against each other. The females are slightly smaller but easily double the size of adult female with such dense body and tummy. About 10-20% of them are nothing more than 1.5 size normal adult HMPK, but I'd suspect it's not because of they're not pure giant genes...I think it's more to do with some "stunned" fish in the tank. These stunned fish still have giant genes though, cause I can see how rough and thick their scales are. Majority of the spawn are just pure giant size. Each spawn is split into 2 x 180L tanks. Typically I can fit a couple hundreds fish in those 2 tanks, but with the giants I only had to fill up less than 100 to make the whole tank crowded :) :)

I've selected 1 pair of red giants siblings to carry the next generation spawning. He is nearly 3+" in size and the female is slightly smaller. First attempt of spawning was 2 weeks ago and they went through the same difficulty as their dad and mom :) I've left them together in the tank ever since as I'm not bothered as to when they'll spawn. Well, this morning, I noticed a lot of wiggly tails in the tank as well as another big lump of eggs on the bubbles. So somehow, they've got their act together finally.

I think this generation of giant is slightly easier as they're still very young and the female is still slightly smaller size compared to the males. They still have some growth to do, but at least they've shown their true genes.

pictures of the black

not very clear, but at least something to remember him by :)
he has the superblack body, just as inherited from his great great great great grandmom



Thursday 9 August 2007

blackest of the black

Finally there is something coming out of my 7 generation of breeding blacks. This spawn has only 5 survivors due to contaminated tank (long story short, a visitor spilled coke into the tank, wiping of the majority of fry).

Anyway, out of the 5, I've got 1 gorgeous male. He's as black as I could see with very little iridescence. In fact, when I shine torch to his body, I don't see any of the irids, but I know it's there cause there is that faint 1 line color of dimmed steel blue. It seems, on this line, I've got that dimmed steel blue color that doesn't reflect the light much.....so I'm way very happy about this line.

To add more to the joy, the spawn has very nice finnage. All male and females are very balanced. All long fin of course :)

He's coming to a spawning stage now, still very young (nearly 3 months), but quite enthusiastic on doing it :)